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thiz is just ASR again bruh
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LunaMidnight 
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19.07.2024
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LunaMidnight[OP]
19.07.2024 06:43
Linkalso saw something about Endos systems, systems "formed" without trauma, which to remind yall, isnt possible since systems are formed from trauma. we are not bringing these angel sensory room type bs over here man.
He stated he isn’t a man. And being called a man is against his boundaries. But he also said he wants to be seen as a BOY? It’s confusing.
He also called me a TERF because I said he should lash out of karizma for trying to politely educate him.
ok now thats just confusing, saying ur not a man but want to be seen as,, a boy, which is just a man.
guh ??? is bro mixing up stuff here cuz now my brain is confused.
I’d understand if he was enby and wanted to be seen as masculine, but he’s not. He said he’s a transgender boy. Not only that, but he said that Lesboy ISNT meant for butch lesbians?? And refused to be educated.
wtf man, idk thats just a loss cause at this point if they're refusing to be educated about labels and blocking people informing them.
i never said it wasnt fkr6 butch lesbians, now you are actually making shit up
also i was calling everyone trying to "educate me" a terf,, not just you
the "exclusionary" in trnas exclusionary radical feminist isnt just trans people you nutjobs
i was calling everyone terfs for parroting terf points that were used against anyon3 who dared to identify as a lesbian who didnt fit within a specific tiny criteria
These criteria excluded people like, Bisexuals, other Multisexuals, M-spec Lesbians, Transfemme Lesbians, Black Lesbians, A-spec Lesbians, AND ALSO! Butches! Masculine Lesbians! Any Nonbinary Lesbian who wasn't Feminine! TRANSMASC AND TRANS MAN LESBIANS
YOU DONT SEE HOW BADLY YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT DO YOU???????
THE FIELDS OVERLAP!
IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY ****ING MATTER WHAT IN THIS LIST I IDENTIFY AS!
WHAT MATTERS IS YOU ARE PARROTING TERF POINTS WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE AWARE OF IT
okay so lemme get this right, you're agreeing? with, TERFs?
you hear yourself right?
you see why i called you a TERF¿?
I Called All Of You TERFs If You Read What I Typed !
You are still parroting their points and it does not make you any better than them!
dude, trans men cant be lesbians idk what to tell you. we are men, there for us liking women, is STRAAAIGHT. the fact you say cis men cant be lesbians, which they cant, but trans men can is realllly siding eying like, why can we be lesbians huh ? is there a difference from us to cis men ? men 👏 cant 👏 be 👏 lesbians 👏 period. cant wait for u to call me transphobic when im literally trans too.
i swear u have to be a kid or something if ur this much in denial of being in the wrong here.
no ones forcing you to be a lesbian dude, the transmasc/male lesbians who choose to be lesboys arent being transphobic, because its their own experience, they aren't forcing you to be a lesbian ,,
“fact you say cis men cant be lesbians, which they cant, but trans men can is really siding eying “
Sorry to butt in but I feel like I can add to this conversation!!! I don’t know a lot about lesboys but from what I’ve seen, the difference is experience(for lack of a better word). Trans people will always have that queer experience, it’s just a part of being trans. In my own personal experience, being raised one way and feeling another has changed how I view my own sexuality. Some relationships which may be heteronormative on the surface can still be queer depending on the people in that relationship.
The thing that really hurts to see is when people shun someone for getting defensive when all they’ve been told is they are not valid, that their experience is not real, that they’ve got it all wrong. Nobody knows their own identity better than themselves, and it’s so frustrating seeing trans people tell other trans people that their experience is not real.
Other queer people are not our enemy
This might be a little hard to read since I couldn’t put everything I wanted to in there. One quote that sticks with me is You can’t blur the lines between gender without blurring the lines between sexuality. It makes sense that someone with less of a binary idea of their own gender has a label that could be seen as contradictory
Yes i do agree we all have queer experiences and should explore ourselves and our labels. However the problem comes when you choose do label yourself in a way that can come out as harmful to others with that label. Lesbian in its definition, is a non man attracted to non man. By that logic, if we are a man and are attracted to girls, we can not be lesbians as we are men. Don't know why that has to be said. Yes, masculine lesbians are real as they are non men who present themselves as masculine. However trans MALE is completely different as thats someone who identifies AS MALE. Us men should not be putting ourselves in spaces not meant for us. We have our own labels we can be in and should not putting ourselves where we cant be. I know my words and opinion can't change anything but that is my stance on all of this. Im not saying you're forcing us to be lesbian. Im simply saying we just can't due to our gender identity. Yes i can't tell you what to be as thats not something i can control, but i can put my words
On how invalidating it is to think us men can be lesbians when that simply isn't something we can identify as. Not only invaliding lesbians, but us trans men by saying its okay for us to be lesbian. In what way is it alright to label ourselves with a nonmen label? We can't be lesbian and that's that. Again, can't change what you think but that's just what i believe and would stand with others who are lesbians and other transmen who believe we can't be such.
God i feel like im on TikTok or Twitter rn.
Because people fought to be seen for these labels, lesbians fought to be seen and noticed as who they are as people who aren't men and are not attracted to men and to have us men coming in and involving ourselves with a label they made because they arent attracted to us is fcking ridiculous. Imagine lesbians who fought for their rights for being who they are and seeing later on that men are now included in a label that they made for non men, how would you think they would react? Im not saying its hurting me, but i will not deny someone else could be hurt by others who think men can be in nonmen spaces. And by judging how this went, its clear yall will not listen to other queers informing you on this subject. Other queers who are probably educated about this topic too and trying to calmly educate on the label. The fact that "men shouldn't be allowed in lesbian spaces" is an arguement rn in 2024 is wild.
Im closing it here cuz hooo boy does this topic get in my head bad
I understand that, but that’s not what this person is?? They obviously have a more complex gender identity than just “man!”. Harassing other queer people using a term in good faith is not protecting queer spaces.
Contradictory labels have always been a part of our history and we’re only having a problem with it now and I fear it’s because we’ve lost our original point. Excluding people from lesbian spaces is not protecting lesbians, and speaking on behalf of all trans men/boys/mascs is not fair when you use it in a way to minimize other peoples personal experiences. We cannot combat problems in our community the same way our oppressors combat us.
