owo political stance?
by:
Subtle-Anxiety 
370
370
10.04.2019
72 comments
Subtle-Anxiety[OP]
10.04.2019 01:06
Linkthis post doesnt matter but I want to see if people will attack me or not
Subtle-Anxiety[OP]
10.04.2019 01:07
Linkbut I do actually believe women should have a choice of what they want to do with their own bodies
Nighteye
10.04.2019 01:08
LinkThank you
uwu oh no Im sowwy
a bawely fowmed fetus should have mowe human wights than the fully functional human cawwying it owo
I get why some religious people are against it. they thing the baby is alive from an early age (before it even has a brain or can even be defined as a human).
But, if someone understand the science of it., I don't get how they could be not pro-choice
I respect people who dont want to get abortions for religious reasons, but if they stop others from getting the care they need then its going to far.
religious reasons I can understand, bit if thats not the problem then they just need to research and things straight. pro choice gets a lot of bad rep and misinformation making people not want to look into it at all. if I thought somerting was just about killing babies I wouldnt be too interested. but I just wish everyone could be properly educated and see that its just for the better
being pro choice does not mean everyone should get abortions.
it means that people will have a choice, and they themselves can decide what happens.
it does not mean people will be aborting full on babies, that never has been, nor never will be legal. they only abort in the early stages before it even looks like a loving creature, or if there are medical complications.
having abortions be legal and easily accessible will mean less women will die because polititions who dont even know what a clitoris is decided birthing a baby was more important than keeping the mother alive.
it means less women will have to experience having stillborn children. if they are able to abort, they wont ever have to see the body of a child that would have died either way.
it means less teen moms. less young girls being bullied to suicide for having a child so young. less teen moms sacrificing everything for a child just so it can suffer in poverty. less parents having to take care of their unwanted granchild.
less unwanted children being born into possibly abusive homes.
less women having to witness the products of their own rape.
less children being born into poverty, into unprepared homes, into neglect.
less children being abondoned and left to die, left to be dealt with in an adoption center or foster home and peobably get tossed around by the shitty systen we have.
less women dying for a baby that would either be born dead, or die soon after.
less women dying for infants in general.
less women fatally injuring them selves or otherwise killing themselvez, and getying unsafe and illegal abortions since they arent legal. you cant stop abortions, but you can stop safe abortions.
less women having to witness the products of their own raping.
I believe you are wrong because that clump of cells will soon be a human. It already has the genetic makeup to become a complete human, and it only needs time to develop. Children being born doesn't have anything to do with poverty and abuse. These are things people overcome and have a right to overcome. People deserve the chance to exist and survive despite bad circumstances. Instead of killing children, let us address poverty, and abuse by stopping it! Let teens not have sex so young and avoid the issue. Let us not punish our future children for the crimes of us and our generation. Instead, let us create easy access to financial aid for pregnant women with low income. Let us work to stop abuse and rape by punishing abusers and rapers, not children. The statement about early stages is false, in fact, it is quite even across the board. And even before it looks human, the fetus has the capability of being human. Of living a life. What gives us the right to take that away from it?
I do believe medical abortion
s should be legal, as they are necessary for the survival of woman and/or baby. But for most abortions, sadly, this is not the case. Most abortions occur because the child is an inconvenience to the mother, in one way or another. Instead of killing this baby, let us provide homes and financial aid for them. When you cut to the chase, abortion is destroying someone's future, their life. And I can't stand for that.
What you state is actually quite similar to Planned Parenthood's mission; however, although Planned Parenthood says they want to decrease abortions, they give their clinics quotas to meet and tell them to increase the number of abortions. They have counselors to convince people to have abortions, they lie about the pain and how "alive" the fetus is. Your belief is a good one, but it is founded on lies.
as of right now there is no system taking the children and housing and caring for them well enough, many children are left to adoption centers, which are not the ideal home. plus, many people are shamed for even having children (teens and rape victims, as well as just many general accidental pregnancies), making them harm or even kill themselves if they cant abort safely, or leaving them to abandon the child on the streets to die sometimes.
having safe legal abortions can prevent these things, and this is something that can happen immediately, unlik trying to found a whole company based on nurturing unwanted children. besides, no one should have to face the trauma of giving birth if they truly dont want to, it is a very physically and emotionally demanding task, which can scar many people mentally and physically, even without complications.
And if you take away legal abortions from those who do not require it because of medical complications, that doesnt mean you take away abortion entirely
you just take away safe abortions, leaving eople to go back to using coat hangers and killing themselves, whether they meant to or not.
The key words here are sometimes. You cannot allow people to kill babies on the basis of sometimes. Sometimes people murder, sometimes people steal. We act on the basis of the majority and find ways to protect the minority. And because there is no system doesn't mean there isn't a way. No matter the trauma and danger, everyone deserves a chance at life. People shouldn't use their own emotions as a reason to take that chance away. And instead of unsafe abortions, we as people should provide care, therapy in a sense. Instead of letting people go through trauma alone and feel the only option is to end their child's life, we as a people need to provide them the emotional support and care to understand abortion isn't the only option, and there are better ways to overcome struggles. It doesn't matter what the struggles are, these are children, future people, and they don't deserve this.
And If I may, I don't want people killing themselves in unsafe abortions, but I'd rather have the occasional death than the millions of babies dying from abortion.
ur taking a life that is not yours. that fetus in a woman can feel and take in nutrients from the placenta!
what do you consider living? does it have to walk? I guess trees don't live huh?
does it have to speak? plants...get out of town..
your argument is based off of feelings, your not giving me anything to make me think otherwise, no evidence. ur just saying the same thing that many on pro life side has debunked.
if u think thats fine then so be it, but u gotta do more to convince the other side then just say something with no source at all.
And even if it wasn't alive, it has the potential to live, and you know it will be living soon. At the very least, even at the beginning of conception, the fetus is a life-in-progress. It will be human, and who are we to stop it from becoming that? It already has the genetic makeup of a fully-grown adult, so why should it be treated less? Just because it doesn't have all the tissue of an adult yet doesn't make it any less human. We don't treat people with disabilities as less human, so brain function and heartbeat aren't valid definitions of humanity. No, humanity is a genetic recipe for a species, our species.
They are talking about unsafe abortion methods with that, not suicide.
But modern abortions are also unsafe- planned parenthood actually doesn't call hospitals when a complication occurs, because it will hurt publicity. In fact, most women don't know they've had a complication. You won't hear about the people who die from modern abortions, but they aren't safe, and they still kill babies.
just because it has the genetic make up of an adult doesnt mean it should have more a chance at its own fully functioning life than the parent. the parent has to carry and birth it, already not easy, and very draining.
if a person decides to keep the child for whatever reasons, then that persons life is now changed forever.
yes many people want to adopt but the childcare system in america does not seem to be making that easy. not that they dont want children adopted, but Im guessing because its expensive, taking care of all of those children, sometimes even housing them up until they are adults, having to feed, clothe, and shelter all the children in america that were given up or abandoned. even if it is easy to adopt, if and many people want to, there are so many children in foster homes and adoption centers I still dont think all of them will definitely be adopted, and it is not the fault of the child, system, or anyone else. plus, as far as I know, some states are banning lgbt+ families from adopting-
And that is a problem. Honestly, I hope to one day get into politics and fix this. Because people shouldn't have to get abortions, they shouldn't be told this is their only option. Because it's not. As soon as I turn 18 (or more likely after college because debt) I plan to start an organization to help people with these problems. But abortion isn't the solution. Abortion is a solution that gets rid of peoples futures. And the parent has a fully functioning life that won't be destroyed by the child. The problem lies in us. We are making abortion the only option, instead of repairing the adoption and foster care systems, working to provide adequate financial aid to those who need it. I'm not saying adoption is perfect, right now it's far from it, but we need to focus on fixing that rather than allowing abortions.
another reason abortions become the only options is because of lack of education.
the school system needs to be fixed, we need to stop only teaching abstinence only tactics and maybe how to use a condom in some classes, and have actual sex ed, where the class is truly what the name says. people need to be taught before anything even happens, but no one is teaching them. this doesnt have that much to do with the whole pro life or pro choice argument but I feel its still important to be included
I want to do what Planned Parenthood says they will do but doesn't actually do. Teach people how to be safe, how to parent. Have adoption and foster care that is better. Have financial aids and progtams to help care for kids. Abortion isn't the only option nor is it a good option. It's simply the only option some people want to see.
as I said before, in some cases abortion can be necessary, ex: teen pregnancy..and altho there are ways to stop pregnancy, ex: condoms and birth control, it still can have in impact of the teens life..
you say "easily accessible will mean less women will die because polititions who dont even know what a clitoris is decided birthing a baby was more important than keeping the mother alive" but yet half of 1% of all abortions is because the mother will die because of the baby...meaning the other 99.9% of the time its not for that reason therefore making that a very rare scenario.
the fact that your ignorance in talking about this, proves your really not trying to engage in conversation but mock those who feel different,
judging by this "uwu oh no Im sowwy a bawely fowmed fetus should have mowe human wights than the fully functional human cawwying it owo" when time after time again the right proves on why abortion is wrong. yet those choice to be PoLITiCaLy COrRrEct and close different.
everyone's entitled
to their own opinions, i respect that. im not going to shove my views in your face, thats rude and uncalled for, but when u ignore the evidence, ignore the statistics of those who have F A C T S on the knowledge, you ignore it?
and i keep hearing this get thrown around, "RAPE, RaPE, raPE, RApe!!!"...honey..no one thinks rape is good..no ones saying your/their responsible,no ones saying that thats the case. "that u shouldn't abort" it's sad but u keep throwing it around like it's a hot thing, and if it happens all the time? but you cant give that reason because the stats show!! 0.05% of abortions are because of rape...again another extremely rare case. do the research before you throw a claim!
some sources: https://www.focusonthefamily.com/socialissues/life-issues/dignity-of-human-life/abortion-statistics
https://abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/
https://www.abortionfacts.com/facts/8
https://www.abortionfacts.com/facts/6
but again everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but when there's facts..there's facts. anyways im outtie gonna eat some almoundjoys (sorry if i sound harsh im not trying to) ya have a good night
I admint I didnt know the numbers, but Ive just heard a lot of people before say that abortion shouldnt be legal at all despite the circumstances and many excused it as 'gods plan'(while I respect religious views these people have said so many wrong things excusing it in gods name, they are toxic Christians who have no respect for others views). I know a lot of those kind of people probably arent here but I just feel like I need to have something to show why abortion isnt evil to someone who might be violently agaisnt it.
I dont have all the facts about it, Im partially just speaking to please my hope to convince those people despite knowing they wont see this
i'm a Christian, not many people know that but I am. those people don't represent all of us
for example, I know not to use god in an argument cause not everyone believes in him therefore making it pointless to bring it up. it's all about the facts when it comes to these things..but ur forgetting that...THEIR NOT ONLY CHRISTIANS!? theres plenty of atheists that are pro life(again cuz it all has to do with F A C T S)
I'm not violently against it. I just know there are people like you, who are fed information. And while it may seem true, statistics don't lie, statisticians do. They tell you these things to detract from the real problem; they can't say abortion is right, because really, it isn't.
I'm glad you admit you didn't have all the facts, however. It's nice to find someone who acknowledges fact when they see it, rather than the usual people who just insult me :)
I dont want to try and win a fight if Im not right, and I can respect when people have the facts. besides, Ive seen many people faced with embarrassment after trying to justify their arguments when found to be wrong
also, I know atheists can be prolife, but the people I talked about are peole I (unfortunately) know personally. they all clame to be Christians, and I have nothing against Christians as a whole, but those people are misusing their religions title, and acting like its an excuse for any sort of idiocity and offensive actions
The moment a baby has any brain activity, that's when abortions stop being okay. that's a certain trimester. that trimester is when abortions start being illegal wherever they're legal.
Calling a regular abprtion "killing a baby" is like calling stabbing a corpse "killing a man". It's not alive.
Even if it is going to be alive, if that fetus grows up unloved, unwanted, unfed or abused, is that a life it should be forced to live because you think it's icky to stop it becoming a life? Can you call that moral?
Is it moral to not allow someone the chance to live? If you knew tomorrow your life would become living hell, you would be unloved, unwanted, unfed or abused, would you deserve to have no life because of that? Or would you want a chance to fight through your struggles, have a chance to live?
I'm very sorry those Christians gave you that impression. We are a religion about love, and I only say these things out of love for the unborn. But be sure, I love the mothers as much, and those who have/preform abortions aren't any more sinners then I am.
Abortions are performed on unwanted pregnancies. without any abortions, those children WILL grow up into some kind of ****ed up life. Whether with a family that deep down doesn't want them, or in a system that treats them as sub human.
So why is it wrong to stop that, before the fetus grows a nervous system, or a brain, before it can process anything.
Ending a life and preventing one from starting are not the same.
Where does that thinking end? Are vasectomies and hystorectomies bad as well?
A sperm is not a life. It is only when a sperm combines with an egg that a life is born. It is not possible for a sperm to become a baby or an egg to become a baby, it is only when you combine them that the potential to live. And you didn't answer my question. Would you want to fight through your struggle, or would you want to be killed so you won't have to endure it?
If I never got into that struggle in the first place I wouldn't have to fight.
You're comparing me, a funtioning human, being killed and a fetus that is not yet alive being stopped from growing.
It's a flawed analogy.
If we take the fetus, and age it several years, it will be glad to fight. People thrive despite adversity, and to kill them because they might face it isn't right.
Is it? Because that fetus will soon be a fully functioning human being. And, unless you are 21, you aren't even fully developed yet. So should we not give that fetus the chance to live, only because it might struggle? Why don't we instead help it to thrive, make it so these struggles are less common?
It's not killing them. They aren't alive yet.
And to force a mother to go through immense pain because YOU do not like the fact that fetuses aren't alive and don't have feelings is awful.
You're assigning a potential future to something that has no certain future. If it is aborted, there is no child to want to fight.
I'm not saying I want to force them to go through pain. I want to provide them with help, counseling, financial aid, whatever they need to cope and manage. And they are alive, are they not? They take nutrients, they grow, they respond to stimuli. They fit the definition of life, so why are they not alive only because their nervous system isn't fully developed. Is a jellyfish not alive because it has no nervous system?
Because that potential future is there. And the only reason it won't happen is because it is aborted. If that fetus were not aborted, there would be a child who wants to fight. The only reason there isn't is because we never gave them that chance.
You want them to go through the pain of pregnancy, labour and childbirth for a being they do not want.
So you're saying it's immoral to cut down treeds and eat vegetables, because they're technically alive?
Also, fetuses do not respond to stimuli. At least, not before an abortion becomes illegal. You're treating all fetuses as the last stages of gestation, not as the first beginnings where they are a few cells that can not react to anything.
No, don't put words in my mouth :)
You clearly do not understand the meaning of respond to stimuli. it is a category defining life. All living things respond to stimuli. And abortions are legal even after the fetus feels pain. Trees and vegetables do not have complex thought or a potential for complex thought. If the woman became pregnant, yes, she should endure that pain, it is a consequence of her actions. The child shouldn't suffer because it was concieved at an inconvenient time.
"feel pain" Uhhh... evidence of that?
The child won't suffer, because it won't become a child, because it will be aborted before being a child.
Abortions are legal up until right before birth, and are legal after the nervous system is developed and the heart is beating. Pain.
And the child won't be a child because we denied it that right. The fetus deserves a chance to become a child, even if it may have a hard life. A hard life is better than no life.
"abortions are legal until right before birth"
Unless the mother or child will literally die otherwise, no they aren't, you are wrong.
Nobody has the right to become alive. They do have the right to Stay alive.
No, you have a right to be alive.
You do not have a right to become alive.
Two very different things.
The child would not know hard life is better than no life. It doesn't need to.
But the child is already in the process of becoming alive, do you have a right to halt that?
It is not alive yet.
An egg could become alive, and birth control is not horrible to you?
An egg cannot become alive! It is only when an egg is combined with a sperm that the process of life starts. Come to think of it, that is all life is. A process. There is no one point of life, up until around 21 we are still developing, and after that the process of dying begins. You cannot find a concrete time of becoming alive because there isn't one. Once fertilization happens, the egg and sperm are now in the process of becoming a human. They haven't not started yet. Abortion stops life that is already happening, because the process has started.